taken power yet. i'm about to show you what that caving may look like. let me clear, we're thought reporting tonight the shutdown is anywhere near over. it's not. we're not reporting a break through. we're not suggesting these promises that may emanate from the trump administration can be taken at their word from good faith. we all remember other immigration negotiations that may have fallen apart when trump and his aides may have dropped offers they made to chuck and nancy. but here's something new, trump's active chief of staff revealing they have begun backing off president trump's demand of $5 billion for the wall. >> we were at 5 on saturday afternoon. we sat down with mr. schumer and gave him a number below 5. i'm not going to tell row what it is. >> below 5, okay. we're not going to tell you what it is. could be 4.9, could be 4, could be lower. again, when we talk about caving in realtime the leaks tonight suggest it was way lower.