implausible story, but the idea is that a roller blader happens buy and hands him a copy of "the art of the deal" and he reads it and it changes his life. i don't know whether or not to believe the story. i talked to his wife at the time saying i don't remember reading the book. he says he was inspired by trump to become a businessman himself. >> reading yo you are story made me feel like really our problem is that it's donald trumps all the way down, there's a certain kind of like sort of the fer el sales person, the conartist, that almost is kind of an american icon, no one went broke understood -- the pt barnum quote. trump is the most extreme version we have of that. >> that's right. and look, burnett said at the time "the apprentice" came out, he talked about him in these terms. he made "survivor," any interaction in life it's you and me facing off against a table.