kind of a nihilism to what trump is doing. he feels cornered, chris. he has these scandals closing in. he's not going to pass any legislation with a democratic house. and my concern is that he burns down the house with him as we go, ratcheting up trade wars, ratcheting up the dysfunction in our foreign policy, playing politics with the government shutdown and paychecks of hundreds of thousands of americans. that's what i think should worry us. the one thing that could possibly get through to him is the looming economic downturn, the tanking stock market, the negative economic indicators, all these actions have a real consequence and they're going to make his difficult reelection that much harder. >> senator boxer, you can see he's spooked by that, reporting suggests that he's saying it in public, berating the fed chair and maybe threatening to fire him, which is not something that happens that often. do you think fundamentally