this he can't lose it so he's obviously willing to shut down the government. he's probably willing to keep it shut down for a while and that's unfortunate. our economy right now is unstable. we saw that with the stock market and i think the longer that the government stays shut down the worse it is for not only families of federal workers but also our overall economic situation. >> ab, i want to ask you. this is also about leverage and the democrats will have more leverage after january 3. how do you see this playing out? >> that's what's so hard because to sort of see the pressure point, the breaking point, because he's enjoying the fight. democrats are saying you want to push it off until we have a house majority? not a problem with us, you'll have fewer votes then. and as i said, where does the pressure come from? republican members trying to win in 2020? it's interesting. the senator -- senator corker is right. the president was give an great