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trying to please the base at a time when he is drawing a lot of criticism. sort of almost seeing that as a sort of safe way out of some of these difficult situations and a way to garner praise at a time when he is being criticized pretty hashly. >> he want to pick up up on that with you, jay. look at the promotion of what he is calling a steel slat barrier. what are your thoughts? this is a way of finessing his way out of the border wall language? it is 20 feet high, a concrete barrier that you wouldn't be able to seethrough and you couldn't climb over -- this looks different. >> alex absolutely. i think the idea of this wall has been so evolving. honestly, it is such a face call representation what have trump wants. it makes no sense. every expert will tell you a wall is not a smart move on the southern border. it is more effective to use drones, to use beefed up

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