for the border, for border security, or he's shutting the whole thing down. that's one i heard. no, the president wants you to know that it's money or nothing. and if it is nothing, he shuts it down. so there you have it. >> we're a few minutes from a hastily called press conference from pelosi and schumer on this. is that why we could head towards a shutdown. >> i think there is the obvious narrative that he's -- he's the conservative republicans on fox and people like limbaugh want him to stand up for the wall and he's doing that and that is part of it but also as always he's putting on a show. he's changing the topic. and you've been -- there is a lot of things that are perhaps worse for donald trump than a fight over a wall that you've been talking about. >> what are those things? >> the stock market, mattis departure and i think -- so i think i'm not sure -- i think that in some ways it makes more sense to view him deciding how to get attention rather than operating on profound political