away from the president. if matt whitaker followed the ethics rules, he wouldn't be able to do that. you see him blatantly disregarding -- >> the ethics rules were there for jeff sessions not just to preserve the department but to protect himself. >> to protect the department's integrity and protect you from scandal. >> let's go through the problems matt whitaker may face. if he's told donald trump that he'll deal with this investigation. and let's say he's also offered to help him out in the southern district where we know the president is enraged to be named as individual one in some of those cohen filings. what problems -- do you think whitaker, is he thinking he needs a defense lawyer at this point? >> he's wise to have one. he's going to face oversight investigations of what's happened. just what's happened today with this recusal question alone is a problem. two he's going to face an inspector general investigation. to set up this end around around the ethics officials is so