apparently wasn't so sure saying quote, i cannot assure you if you proceed today that you will not receive a sentence of incarcerati incarceration. joining me now, the law firm of rosenberg and roca, chuck rosenberg senior fbi official and msnbc legal analyst mimi rocah, thank you both for being here. i want to start with what seems to be a little bit of a dispute among those of you that i have been listening to your excellent analysis over the past 24 hours. chuck, there were some areas that you seemed to say where you thought this judge may have overstepped. i'm interested to hear your perspective on that, and then also talk to mimi about it. chuck. >> i do, kasie. i think there were places where the judge was intemperate. for instance, treason is a very big word. it didn't apply to what michael flynn did, at least not legally, and in a courtroom is what counts, and he used the word treason to describe his conduct.