first, what is rudy doing? >> making mistakes. any way you slice it it's a mistake. either he doesn't know what he's talking ab ining about, or he i clear that the information we have been receiving from the white house, from their talking points, are not accurate. so it doesn't really matter what he's doing. either way it's a problem for this administration, and when you count up all its problems, including every single entity that trump, president trump has created under investigation, by some law enforcement somewhere, that's a problem. >> counselor, may i push you on that a little bit? >> yes, you may. >> you're stipulating the view that it does not matter. an alternative interpretation would be that if you have past lives in public, which are bad but legal and people are going into the grand jury or congress where lies become illegal, and you know that mueller's uncovered some things, you may want to fix your public story to