with with us on the, catherine lucy and jonathan allen, veteran political journalist and our nbc news national political reporter. gang, welcome to you both. catherine, i can't wait. i have to show you this. this is a clip. what was the date on this? did we decide? november 2nd, 2016. this is your new acting white house chief of staff talking about donald trump. >> yes, i'm supporting donald trump. i'm doing so as enthusiastically as i can. in fact, i think he's a terrible human being, but the choice on the other side is just as bad. >> so catherine, how many people wanted this job that is now in the hands of a guy who called the boss a terrible human being? >> i think the thing that's been notable with this process all along is how many people have been trying to distance themselves from the job rather than run toward what is typically a big, highly sought after washington gig. we had a lot of people back channelling that they weren't interested and some people publicly withdrawing their