argument, go to plan b. donald trump's arguments regarding this payoff and suggesting it's not a conspiracy and suggesting that it wasn't related to the campaign, that's just not going to pass anybody's straight face test. it's not going to pass any judges or prosecutors or juries straight face test. i wonder if the republicans will think it suffices. >> and i think, joe, the timing of the discussion you've been having here about this being clearly related to the election, last night we learned even someone more damning about why this would be seen as a legal and political blend, and that is it goes back to august 2015 when you had trump in the room with cohen and pecker about, hey, i