on that in just a few minutes. i think that's still a pretty opaque issue and one that's ended up being really important for michael cohen's ultimate fate. but you should know, you should also know, because this really is a historic thing today, you should also know what happened when michael cohen himself stood up today, literally stood up, to make his case to the judge. because the way it went down is, after all the lawyers had said their piece, it was michael cohen face to face with the judge, michael cohen making his own case for himself. and then the judge, right then and there, immediately in response, telling him his fate. quote, the judge, mr. petrillo, does your client wish to address the court? mr. pell trillo, he does, your honor. the judge, fine. i'll hear from mr. cohen now. the defendant, michael cohen. your honor, stand here or to the podium? the judge, i think it would be best to take the podium.