defenders are spinning it out. it can't possibly be the law that the president is just immune from criminal liability for all time, particularly when it deals with a crime going to how he became president. >> all right, neal katyal, thank you so much for making time tonight. i really appreciate it. i want to turn now to the former secretary of defense, william cohn, a republican from maine who served in both the house and the senate, and who signed on to a letter this week calling on the is that the to stand in defense of democracy. mr. cohen, your reaction to the fact that the president is named as an unindicted co-conspirator as individual-1 by his own justice department quite plainly believes he committed a family. -- felony. >> it does cast a cloud over the presidency, over the president himself i should say rather than the presidency when you have a lawyer for the president who does admit to having committed a crime and to have done so in furtherance of the election of president trump. so i think it's a difficult issue for him to deal with at this point. i think there will be more coming, and i think the congress