operative a bounty to deliver the most absentee ballots? because harris did that. by the reporting, he paid this guy dallas to win among -- >> i think his name is pronounced a little differently. he sure as hell ain't me, i tell you that. >> i'm asking you, is it right or wrong to pay a guy -- not to help win an election, but i'll only give you the bounty if i win the most absen teen ballots. that's at the heart of the corruption, the belief that you can deliver a victory among the absentee ballots in that county especially, bladen county, if you control the way they were harvested. they went around and collected them. he knew what he was doing, he paid him. he wanted to win the absentee ballots in that county. he paid him 40,000 bucks if he won. among the absentee ballots, and he did. doesn't that seem corrupt by itself? >> i think that's a fair question. i really do.