vindication, portray his political enemies as extremists who overreached, and for this very reason we were just talking about, you better have a lot of republican senators who see whatever the facts are and are willing to remove a president before you start that ball in motion or we'll see that same dynamic play out. >> i want to ask this next question of both of you, and darlene, you first to answer it. your reaction on a yahoo report that trump first wanted his attorney general pick william barr for another job, defense lawyer. how do you read this? is there a conflict here at all? >> that's an interesting question. i don't know if there is a conflict there or not. many of us were surprised on thursday or friday, whenever it was, that the president announced he was going to nominate bill barr to be attorney general. there were other names in the mix. bill barr's name didn't seem to be there. so it came as a surprise. >> is this new, charlie, that --