payments, he acted in coordination with and at the direction of individual one. we know individual one to be the president of the united states now, then donald trump candidate. tell me about how these two things connect, the president's saying totally clears the president and sdny saying the president was involved in a felony with -- or at least implying the president was involved in a felony with michael cohen. >> the connection is a bit of a mind bender. to say it totally clears the president, i think just blinks reality. he's at a point of his pr campaign, saying it's a witch hunt, none of it means anything, going by the wayside. this sentencing is beyond -- it's a lot about lying but it also -- when i was reading it, it struck me how it's drafted in a way it's almost a message to the american public. you could actually put trump in the position of mr. cohen here, starting at page 23, talks about why do we care about campaign