he's almost hanging his family members out to dry here. we know from cohen and from the filing that he was briefing family members on the moscow tower project and so is our president ready to distance himself from his family members and say i didn't know what they were doing, that's on them. i think we're coming close to seeing someone with the last name of trump or kushner in criminal indictments and we need to determine whether the president is going to stand up and say i knew about this or whether he will let them hang out to dry. >> and jeremy, you know this because you've been around a while. it's a big distinction to journalists first of all but also a lot of washington-based lawyers. when something goes into the white house, when something reaches into the white house you hear people opt inside say just keep it out of the white house. these documents today reaped into the white house this year,