troubles end tonight. >> frank, what neal katyal said that we just ran is devastating for donald trump. >> well, and let's go to the other clip you played where trump was actually saying "to the best of my knowledge no one around me is talking to russians." he's almost hanging his family members out to dry here. we know from cohen and from the filing that he was briefing family members on the moscow tower project and so is our president ready to distance himself from his family members and say i didn't know what they were doing, that's on them. i think we're coming close to seeing someone with the last name of trump or kushner in criminal indictments and we need to determine whether the president is going to stand up and say i knew about this or whether he will let them hang out to dry. >> and jeremy, you know this because you've been around a while. it's a big distinction to journalists first of all but