>> it will be interesting to watch the positioning. president carter always makes an effort to position himself at a distance. >> he's a -- in all those photos with the group of presidents, he's the man apart. >> and you wonder whether he's going to make that statement again today. i think he won't. i've heard he won't. we'll see. it's one of those -- i think he doesn't really respect some of the others in the way -- although winston churchill when he was a prisoner of war, he always stood apart from the other prisoners. >> he stood apart from other prime ministers and historical figures of the time. >> can i say something about bill clinton? >> you're chris matthews. >> this relationship, nancy knows more than i will ever know about this. i think that we all need fathers, daughters need mothers especially. and if you have a father you learn at an early age what it's like to work, work hard, see your father working hard,