then establish through other evidence and documents that they have lied and then sentds it ov -- send it over to the u.s. attorney for prosecution. >> could that include members of the president's close family or staffers? >> i think it could. >> do you think whether it's them or some of the other folk, this is information that would be yoouseful to robert mueller this point? >> it may be. i think we need to be clear about one thing. he has much more evidence than we do. he's been able to subpoena a lot of documents that we weren't able to subpoena because the republicans refused to subpoena them. i think we need to make these documents available to the special counsel and also the transcripts available to the public as we attempted to do that and were rejected by the republican majority. i'm confident that robert