when you look at this, you're starting to see situations here where it's not a he said/he said. it's not just the president's word versus cohen's. it's not paul manafort's word versus the president's word or together. you're going to be in a situation here with these statements. whether they're proving to be false or proven to be true, backed up by evidence. you're talking about a potential danger point. >> false statements contains a materiality requirement. >> english for me. >> i got you. i'm going to go back to tom's turkey sandwich. >> there you go. you know, you understand turkey sandwiches. >> that materiality requirement that tom talked about means you can't charge someone for section 1,001. if they say i had a turkey on