back and forth and i have to get clarity from the special counsel's office, and craig, what it means is that at least seven occasions, michael cohen definitively said to prosecutors, hey, this is some of the information that i can provide or at least this is some of the information that i will admit to. and that has been over the past several months, and so this is something ongoing as we have reported before, but today, we r are getting more clarity on exactly what this type of cooperation has been. >> and chuck, again, there are some tidbits of information in the documents. we have learned a fair amount about what the special counsel's office is claiming that it knows, thanks to the conversations with michael cohen. how real is the possibility, chuck, that is just a fraction of what the special counsel has. >> it is always a fraction, craig, of what the special counsel has. and there is an interesting thing here, but it is a subtle point. you don't need to plead guilty