table in thin that interview, h claimed that manafort, roger stone and stone associate jerome corsi were all asked to lie. he said this, if you told the truth, you go to jail, trump said. you know this flipping stuff is terrible. the president went on to say, quote, but i had three people, manafort, corsi, i don't know corsi, but he refuses to say what they demanded. manafort, corsi and roger stone. he went on, it's actually very brave, the president said, of the trio. i'm telling you, this is mccarthy-ism. we are in the mccarthy era. this is no better than mccarthy says the president of the united states talking about the special counsel's investigation. joyce, let's talk about the president floating the idea of a pardon when asked. he says it's not off the table. that has to be music for manafort who is now without his cooperation deal. >> i think that's probably true,