you've got to cut all of your ties to your former codefendants, and you can't share information about our investigation back with them, right? everyone understood that that couldn't happen. it's arguably obstruction. giuliani seems to be the only lawyer in america who couldn't sort that out for himself. >> and, joyce, to that point, when i was reading this, i thought, are there some possible malpractice implications for paul manafort's lawyer? because these actions that he took have created another kind of jeopardy for manafort. he's lost basically what the continuing cooperation of the special prosecutor, he's lost whatever sentencing benefit was going to be. >> there are a lot of potential implications here. i think we would have to know more about the facts to be certain. that kevin downing, paul manafort's lawyer, could be looking, for instance, at action by the bar that issues his license. there could be some violation of bar rules. it's also possible that if there was a protective order, that mueller had entered into with