trump lawyers and the manafort lawyers? >> it's really hard to figure, lawrence. it's almost as though he didn't see anything wrong with what they were doing. you know, i suspect that all over america, federal prosecutors are scrambling to add new language into their plea agreements. up until now, i think most prosecutors never felt a need to put into their plea agreements with defendants, language that said, and, by the way, if you're cooperating with the government, you've got to cut all of your ties to your former codefendants, and you can't share information about our investigation back with them, right? everyone understood that that couldn't happen. it's arguably obstruction. giuliani seems to be the only lawyer in america who couldn't sort that out for himself. >> and, joyce, to that point, when i was reading this, i thought, are there some possible malpractice implications for paul manafort's lawyer? because these actions that he took have created another kind