prove. we will know at some point whether paul manafort did or did not visit with julian assange at the embassy in london. >> you make a good point about that. as anyone who's been to london knows, that entire city is under surveillance and i imagine one of the places that you would have surveillance, a camera, is the front door to the ecuadorian embassy that i imagine british intelligence would be watching and maybe american intelligence would be watching. that is the sort of thing you could state definitively, he was there or not there. >> that's right. with a person of interest like assange in that building, you can rest assured there are a lot of eyes on it and this will be something that eventually will come out, whether he was there or not. >> there's a reason assange steps outside of that building because he knows or believes he will be arrested immediately. >> correct. and certainly manafort and wikileak do not deserve the benefit of the doubt. p having said that, there's no other corroboration of the story either. the white house said they don't believe this happened. i spoke to rudy giuliani, the