they're finding every way possible, as you said, to create this chaos and try to create images. >> so let's create a counter factual. imagine an administration that didn't want that image. you could put border officers at san ysidro, a port of entry, process the people coming through. >> for sure. >> that's what u.s. law says we should do. >> for sure. >> and we're not doing that. >> some people will get asylum and some people won't. we're not arguing everyone has a right to come here, but they should have a process. there is no question we have the resources to have an orderly process as you just said. >> to be clear, the reason the images appear on the television, the administration said, no, you can't do that. >> exactly. one of the things they're trying to say is look, we've e we're being overrun, we haven't seen these numbers. i read the numbers to the judge