so all of this is getting out. it's not just being talked about here. they're paying close attention to the news and they're waiting in some of the most dangerous towns along that border in mexico trying to get in. it's a lot of desperation but it is a serious response to this. and what we could see is if they keep this closed much longer. it's a huge effect on commerce. this is the busiest land port of entry, border crossing, for commerce in the world. >> it's pretty unreal. jonathan swan, the president had threatened to close the border entirely. he said if something like this happens, i'll close the border. how do you put what we're seeing and we've got more pictures of what's been going on the past couple of hours. how do you put the context of these images and what's going on into the context of our politics here? >> the way the president thinks about this and certainly hard-liners around him think about it is this should be seen as part of a series of actions that he's taken to make it much more difficult for people vulnerable people from dangerous