that's what we have been hearing for months now on background from white house officials and people close to them. i think it is striking they both seem to say that on the record it shows you the deep level of divisions created between kelly and the outside circle of advisers. it's all out in the open. >> what about saying that president staffers are failing him. do you think there's a sense that the president feels that way? >> clearly sit a view shared by others. you flow, the president is fondover leaning on others outside the advice and council. there is a war in camps between the people on the inside and the people on the outside.