race. i grew up thinking eisenhower was too old to run for president and he would be have been younger. people want somebody to be 50ish. >> i think bernie sanders blew up that notion in the last election cycle. and age doesn't matter until it does, until there's an alternative that is a new shiny kind of inspiring face like a beto o'rourke. i think what's going to be much more important than age in this cycle is who can bring that seek contract sauce of appealing to those midwestern industrial on a populist appeal, a working class appeal while also keeping this new coalition together of the republicans, the more affluent suburban, you know, moderate swing voters and not alienating them, not going too far to the left. i don't know what would emerge. >> that's the ideal candidate. >> but when you're courting