president. >> well, don't run if you don't want to win. i'm convinced that bernie actually didn't necessarily run to win until all of a sudden they could. he wasn't ready to run to win. the team was, but he wasn't. >> if he runs, do i think he would win? i think probably no. but if the fire is there, go for it. >> if he doesn't run, what is his next move? >> the folks that say he was run in 2020 and run aren't looking at the ted cruz seat. >> beto overperformed like you would not believe. to me, there is a potential path for him. the question is can he sustain that enthusiasm and the phenomenon over a three-year period. he caught lightning if in a bottle for one year. can you extend that for three years? >> he ran a race against the advice of everybody