collusion submitted under oath before he released an indictment which would, on collusion, it's probably not going to be trump but maybe roger stone, for example. and in that indictment he's likely to set forth and lay out the factual narrative of how the collusion happened. he didn't want trump to see that and be able to tailor his answers to the indictment, so maybe that's one reason. we're all reading tea leaves. maybe that's one reason we haven't seen anything yet. >> that's why we have prosecutors on because they think in a way most of us do not. there is that sealed filing in the d.c. circuit that everyone is talking about, the latest one was more than 3,000 words. that's pretty big for a filing. any tea leaves reading for what that might be? >> the only thing that jumps off the page that we know about is that judge katsis on the d.c. circuit who was recently appointed and was part of the white house council's office under trump has recused himself