he was asked about, he said game on. it reveals his mind-set, a giddiness of an aggressor who wants to deploy forces and beat up on people who he sees as subhuman, others. and that has been his mentality when he was the head of i.c.e. he viewed the family separation crisis as a good thing. he framed it as deterrence. we now see migrants coming across to america, family separation did not deter anybody. what he's all about is treating these immigrant people, both in america and across our borders, as something other than equal human beings, depriving them of liberty. >> there are still many children still separated, the total has come down a tremendous amount, there's 25 in custody, the administration says are not eligible for reunification, 99 in custody, deported parents have chosen not to reunite, at least that's according to the administration. the aclu has been a party to the lawsuit. what is your position on where things stand? >> it's been painful, but because of us and so many ngos,