>> i think the reporting you described indicate there's already has occurred a careful vetting by department of justice officials, career officials who do this for a living in an assessment made there wasn't sufficient grounds for extradition. what appear news with if this new reporting is true is that the white house is attempting to strong arm career officials a the department and elsewhere at other agencies into manufacturing a grounds to remove mr. gulen to turkey or elsewhere. >> that is absolutely what the reporting says. if in fact this reporting is accurate. i just have to ask your assessment as somebody who has been there and has dealt with these sort of things, how big of -- how big a deal is this? how unusual is this? and how loudly would you expect people in the agencies, including the justice department, to squawk over this kind of pressure from the white house to reverse the decisions, reverse the views of career officials who work on these