anything, and he keeps changing his story, though, and every time something comes out in the reporting he discovers a new batch of texts that show that he really didn't know anything in advance. look, we can't parse all the facts because we don't have all the evidence that mueller does. but it is very clear that there are way too many coincidences here that don't add up that stone is going to have to answer for at some point i think and we'll just have to see what form that takes. >> i'll tell you one fact we can parse. roger stone lies all the time. he's been a pathological serial liar through his -- many times throughout his entire career, though. going back 40 years in politics. roger stone lies about everything. that's the one north star, home truth about roger stone. i actually am kind of tired of this story. i'm to the point where he's going to get indieted and then we're going to find out what the whole evidence tells us. but all of his assertions now are utterly worthless and completely in keeping with the fact that he lies about everything all the time. >> and one additional point on that, i think because we all say why isn't he indicted yet, it