for more, mike espy, the former secretary of agriculture in the clinton administration. mr. secretary, thank you for joining us. >> hi. hi, chris. >> don't monkey up this race. and people come up with -- i know now there are talkers like me and there are listeners, and a sensitive talker knows that there are listeners. but your thoughts historically? >> well, first, chris, happy veteran's day. and thank you so much for having me on. >> thank you. >> i heard what she said. i have to confess to you i've never heard that time of colloquialism, you know? that comment that she made was very disappointing and harmful. disappointing to millions of mississippians of good will, but very harmful because it again reinforces stereo types that we've been trying to get away from for decades. stereotypes that just continue to harm our economy and costs us jobs. i don't know, i can't reach into her heart and determine why that came out of her mouth. but it was wrong.