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we're still not going to be able to move the needle forward, and when you look at that statement by the nra, you know, the reality is is that no single individual organization can do this by themselves. this requires a multimodal approach requiring stakeholders from all walks of life. and i'm frankly surprised because medical organizations like the american college of surgeons have engaged the nra, so for them to say that we should stay in our lane, i think is a little bit off basis, and they really need to analyze how best to move this -- >> i wonder how the supreme court does this. we all think about this. the supreme court says the right to carry a gun has nothing to do with the militia. it has nothing to do with the language of the constitution. these are glocks, this guy just plugged everybody in that room. nobody knew of such an instrument when we wrote the constitution that could do that. >> chris, i agree with that

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