it would be to not have any guns. you know, he had one handgun. one handgun in a very short period of time killed 13 people. in california high capacity magazines are banned from being sold, which means a magazine that has any more than ten rounds of ammunition in it. he had one handgun, my understanding is he had a high capacity magazine, a high capacity magazine for the glock 21 can hold 27 rounds of ammunition. >> wow. and that's a .45 caliber bullet, that's a strong bullet. if you do not have a protective vest or protective clothing and you get hit by a .45 caliber gun in short range it is quite likely to kill you? >> yes. definitely. >> jill, when you said in a perfect world no one would have them, what do you say to those out there who say, well, if more people carried them, if there was a good guy with a gun, they could stop shooters like that