should it be the case that he was found to have conspired with a foreign entity, that would be the bar, right? >> well, it would certainly mean that elements of the trump campaign were conspiring, were colluding with the russians. if he was in contact with wikileaks or gucifer discussing what would be helpful to the campaign, what would be helpful to donald trump, the timing to make certain disclosures. if there was any kind of coordination then, yes, it would be proof of collusion or conspiracy between the russians and the campaign. i'm sure they will make every effort to distance themselves. all of a sudden they'll tell us they never heard of roger stone. they've never heard of roger stone. the president is prepared to write off his campaign chairman if necessary. we'll have to see if the trail leads back. >> what is your anticipation, the country's in the midst of this mid term election. it's extremely fraught because of the way the president and the gop have chosen to run of what