intelligence professional. here we are. >> glenn, were there some rules when you were at the agency? >> i thought back when we would run wires, title threes which would basically let you wiretap criminal organizations. >> not the oval office. >> no. there's something called tickling the wire. that means law enforcement -- >> this is a family program, glenn. >> law enforcement would intentionally inject information into that sort of series of phones they were surveilling. so what i thought of, the president is now being surveilled by the chinese. he doesn't seem to care. maybe the law enforcement fr mm professionalsp providedipr providing inaccurate information. it's called tickling the wire. >> that's why the "new yorker"