pipe bomb type device, we're told that if we can go back to it just for a second, we're told that the device itself did contain explosive powder, but whether it would work, how it was designed to work, what this thing is here, whether this is a timer, is it a motion device, is it something to be triggered when the package was opened, that is all to be determined. but this law enforcement official says is what was in these envelopes that was sent to these -- we know of at least four, possibly five, and the reason we say possibly five is that we're told that authorities are looking at a suspicious package -- thank you, grif, of the office of congresswoman debbie wasserman schultz of florida, and whether this could be another of these devices.