say, well, this isn't personal against donald trump. obviously this is something -- this is something that donald trump has picked up and he's run with it for the most cynical, cynical of reasons. >> yeah, i mean, there are obviously examples throughout his past in the 1980s when he called for the death of the central park five, even after they were exonerated, he leaned on that. talking about the birtherism, i can tell you and you probably had the same experience, in the course of private conversations and debates with him, he started to believe the birther thing. he was invested in that. he had very specific questions and ideas about why a family would put an ad in the honolulu advertiser announcing the birth. who does that? he actually believed the birther thing. yes, he is a very cynical man, he is a cynical politician, his quote yesterday will live forever, i think. i don't regret anything, it all worked out very nicely, he was talking about the ted cruz