if he's already being able to go around him and have direct access to people that he wants to deal with like john bolton, then what's the harm? and you can task him with different things here and there. but, you know, there's been a lot of reporting of our own, other news organizations about whether he's going to stay. the white house tried to tamp that down by issuing a statement saying he'll stay until 2020, but no one really thinks that's actually the case. >> this is how clear it will stay until monday. what do you make of the fact that inside a meeting on immigration it doesn't appear there was a debate over the substance. that there's nobody -- and i participated in immigration policy meetings, and we landed on comprehensi ivive immigratio reform. ted kennedy and john mccain supported it and the entire republican base had moved away from what george w. bush proposed. but what do you make of the policy itself that they're in there debating the incompetent use of shutting down the border. it's depressing. >> they have no policy. this is not a policy.