that early days he was involved with everything because he had to be there playing defense in a way against what he thought were bad ideas from the likes of steve bannon. >> narrowing his focus, has allowed kushner to concentrate on projects of particular interest to him. like middle east peace and prison reform. but some say the west wing battles have hardened jared kushner. >> i think he's learned that there's always a shark or a knife behind each corner. that the swamp is swamp for a reason. because there's a lot of nasty things in the water. >> it's politics, that's the sport of it and people will either agree or disagree with what you said or didn't say. but that's not what's real. what's real at the end of the day is what you accomplish, the differences you make. the lives you impact and that's what we stay very focused on. >> kushner has tried to control his narrative, speaking little in public himself and using surrogates instead. that helps his own image. but it's also in service of his father in law. >> jared would do anything that