republican presidents to get a conservative supreme court. this has been, as john meacham said a 60 year battle. that aim, that battle was finally won last week, of it not? >> i think that's right. i also think that this is part of why you are seeing so much of the republican party begin to look a little more like donald trump. let's imagine an alternative universe where one of the 16 republicans won that primary and you have a more conventional republican president in the white house. let's play out what would have happened with the kavanaugh hearings. do you think the odds under a different republican president would have been greater, for instance, leadership would have said let's pull this nominee, let's try for someone else. but the trump methodology is apologize for nothing, norms don't matter, wins matter that's what brought us to this moment