kavanaugh is a good man. i believe that he is a good man. it just may be that in my view, he's not the right man for the court at this time. >> and the full statement was incredibly thoughtful and incredibly agonizing. you could hear her agony, garrett, when you went through her explanation for arriving at no. she didn't think he was the right man at this moment for the court. >> it's so interesting to go back through this a little bit. when you -- think about last thursday night after the ford hearing. we reported on a meeting that happened in one of the senate hideaways between jeff flake, joe manchin, lisa murkowski and susan collins, who were the four crucial votes here. what we can see now in hindsight is four senators who were trying to get to yes. four senators who were favorably inclined toward judge kavanaugh before all this came out. and what we now know at the end of the day today is three of those senators were ultimately