now, they have really felt the momentum turn and they're feeling very strong and encouraged about the way things are playing out for them despite how controversial and bruising this process has been. >> jon, a week ago thursday we were watching the testimony, the world was enraptured. it was one of those -- you know, there's nobody that didn't say that was a moment in american history and then the next day the senate vote and jeff flake asking for the investigation, how does this compare and how will it compare to other turning points in american history? are we -- has this become a flashpoint and a turning point that you think we are talking about for the next 50 or 100 years? >> i think we'll be talking about it in context of the court, absolutely. it's in a way bigger than the thomas/hill hearings because justice thomas wasn't seen as the swing vote in the way that judge kavanaugh is. to go back to something you were talking about a second ago, i