in my experience, for most politicians, this is a trick question. what would you not do to win an election? they don't really have an answer, most of them. today we discovered the answer to that question from heidi hide camp. she will not cast the easy political vote for a north dakota senator. instead, she's going to vote against the confirmation of brett kavanaugh. wendy sherman is back with us, and wendy, when i see votes like this, it really stops me because it is so rare and in this case so important. >> you know, we've all talked about who is going to be the next john mccain. who is going to be the person who have an independent mind. and i certainly didn't agree with senator mccain on many, many issues. but when he put that thumbs down on the health care vote, that was courageous. he was courageous obviously in many ways in his life. what heidi high camp did today was courageous. what's really sweet is her brother, in talking about it