>> it's a minuscule fine. >> elon musk is worth billions and billions of dollars. >> tesla's worth $50 billion, $60 billion. elon musk $50 billion, $60 billion. the fine doubled, by the way. he turned down the opportunity to pay a $10 billion so the s.e.c. sued him and he settled for $20 million. it's pocket change to him. >> tesla is worth what did you say? >> 60 billion-ish. >> $60 billion. and elon musk is saying to employees, get excited, guys, we m may be about to turn a profit. so to the average person out there can you speak to the perverseness of that. they don't make money. >> he hasn't been able to build cars. this is the problem. he has made almost no cars over the ten years or so that tesla has been in existence. he has lost money, lost money, lost money. he kept promising profitability