>> and he's lying when he says that's all i can say about dr. ford, because in the very same discussion when he's not using her name very deliberately, he calls all of the accusations against brett kavanaugh garbage. and he's also saying that, you know, i feel sorry for her, but he's saying i believe she perjured herself in this committee when she said she was 100% certain that it was brett kavanaugh. >> i think the challenges that lindsey graham faces right now is that all of americans were watching, across generations and everybody saw her testimony, and everybody's heart and literally stomach went into a knot. and he's not betting on that backlash. and i've had to opportunity to speak with republicans, with independents, with democrats and everybody felt her pain and sincerity. and for him not to have that basic respect is really going to